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Post by Carina on Oct 2, 2019 21:10:16 GMT -5
Here's my reviews of the seasons of Canon Charmed. I wrote them the summer after Charmed ended and my feelings towards them haven't changed much. About the only thing that changed was when the "Season 9" comics came out and I was so happy with the changes Paul Ruditis made that I had to add some of his changes to this. I hope it helps distract you from Real Life the way "Our Screwed-Up Destiny" and my Dream Charmed did. CARINA SAID: I've decided to reply to these first, and then go back and reply to your comments. Then you can do the same with the older ones to catch up. Here we go. Because, I'm re-watching S1 myself, this is fun to do, I'm nearly done with S1, and hope to keep posting reviews, so far, I've posted ones on the first two episodes, if you'd like to read them, feel free. CARINA SAID: I was too young to see them in any of those shows, so Charmed was the first show, I saw any of them in something. CARINA SAID: Me too, they were the perfect duo, and balance to the sisters and felt like we the viewers were the Andy/Darryl in a way. CARINA SAID: I wish those things too. I'll always wonder how the show would be, if Leo and Piper never were in a relationship, but they had a whitelighter who is truly just the guide. I heard the reboot did that and made him out to be the older brother, but I now hear whispers they are doing a love triangle. CARINA SAID: I really loved "That Seventies Episode" when I re-watched it recently. I'm onto Out of Sight atm, with only three more to go. CARINA SAID: I really don't mind it either, because, I don't mind jumping in and out of stories each episode, because re-watching S1 shows how great it is when the main arc is the relationship between the sisters and characters. CARINA SAID: I liked how they handled her mourning Andy. Something that I hated later on when Phoebe and Paige had so many love interests. CARINA SAID: I don't know why, but when I first saw this, I hated Piper for picking Leo over Dan. I don't know why, maybe I just saw how good Dan was for Piper, and I remember how much backlash well from those around me, when the show was talked about, who could not stand Piper and felt like she used Dan. CARINA SAID: Not sure why, but I never felt like they were made for each-other, they just brought each-other down, especially by the time we get to S6-S8. In the earlier seasons, yes they are great. CARINA SAID: Wasn't she so much fun, and I loved her going back to school and caring about people. She was so much fun, I wished I could be her friend, not PhoeME, who I'll run away from. I wished she stayed in school longer. She should have been Psychologist or Social Worker. Look at S1, and you can see, how great she is helping innocents and her sisters with their problems. I don't like Phoebe working at a paper. CARINA SAID: Ditto. This episode makes me sad, for knowing what will come later. CARINA SAID: I see why you picked those as your least favorites. Most fans go straight to She's a Man, Baby a Man and That Old Black Magic as the worst of S2, I know those are popular choices for the worst of Charmed. CARINA SAID: Julian was fantastic, and the best actor on Charmed. CARINA SAID: And I hated Piper's new power, and didn't like all the stuff with how fast Piper and Leo marry, and the reasons for it. I was hoping they'd just be dating this season and or Leo had been taken away for most of the season. CARINA SAID: I don't remember their hair much, I'll have to re-watch and see myself. I just know, I didn't mind Phoebe's hair. CARINA SAID: That is when they went for suspense with a cliffhanger ending, regardless how it affected the sisters. I always think that is why they did it just for a shock cliffhanger ending going into Christmas. CARINA SAID: I never thought about it like that, but it does make a perfect trilogy. CARINA SAID: I'm assuming you still don't have the DVDs. I was gifted S8, as I didn't buy it, but, I have it. Even though, I can find the extras online anyways. CARINA SAID: Yeah, 6, 7 & 8 are a mess. CARINA SAID: I know, Paige was forced on us, and why, I just don't like Charmed Again. The acting from Holly was great, but I just wasn't happy they didn't do a proper tribute to Prue. I still liked Paige in the first half of S4, on a past re-watch 7 years ago. CARINA SAID: Why did they force them into that role. When the writers kept mentioning this with Piper and Phoebe's new roles, I wanted to yell at my television. CARINA SAID: She was a fantastic social worker, a job, she needed to keep. CARINA SAID: At that point, the sisters bond should have ended, no Power of Three. It was Power Outage all over again. I never understood why. I hate Marry Go Round, a least favorite episode of mine. CARINA SAID: I wished it was Prue here too. CARINA SAID: Seeing the Original Source's face was the worst thing ever, honestly, he made me laugh so much. The voice was even worse. He was no longer a threat, and just another lower level demon to me. Now, the Source seen in 'All Hell Breaks Loose' sitting on his throne, dressed the way he was, holding a sword with large wings attached to his back, now that scared me so much. And when he could take possession of anyone, like he did in his earlier episodes. Now that would have been how, I'd have done S4, so the sisters have no idea who the Source is. I don't think he should have ever appeared as himself when he came above ground, only when he takes possession of someone. Too bad, Human Cole should have been taken possession of Cole with the Source vanquished at the end of the season, and in turn, Phoebe forced to make the sacrifice of Cole to defeat the Source. Also, is it me, or was the Source's mythology always an ever going change episode to episode. First I thought he was the Devil or Satan. Then, he actually came from hell, and only resurfaced to the underworld, because it was a rare situation. Then he is just the leader of the underworld, and always was around, not came from somewhere else like hell. Then they called him the Source, and then they named him the Source of All Evil, then he was just a demon leading for 500 years. I could go on. I hated the inconsistency, that I would have been happier, if he never appeared, and we just heard about him. Save lots of headaches. How come the Evil Charmed Ones were not the ultimate big bads not the Source. Witches vs. Warlocks could have been a much more balanced battle. Why do the Charmed Ones need to battle the Devil. I re-watched 'When Bad Warlocks Go Good' in my re-watch and wondered this, and why they let this episode be a one-off.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 23:35:43 GMT -5
And the reason Phoebe was written out is that Alyssa had family issues to deal with. I must have been big (a death, perhaps).
Both Will & Grace and Rosanne retconned their finales out when they came back. Given how the fans of those show hated those finales, I don't think anyone minded.
I don't think anyone liked that flash forward.
I know that Paul Ruditis hated it, because it meant that he was going into the comics with one arm creatively tied behind his back. He did the best he could, but it was still hovering over him like a cartoon anvil.
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 3, 2019 7:54:40 GMT -5
ESMERALDA SAID: Here's my reviews of the seasons of Canon Charmed. I wrote them the summer after Charmed ended and my feelings towards them haven't changed much. About the only thing that changed was when the "Season 9" comics came out and I was so happy with the changes Paul Ruditis made that I had to add some of his changes to this. I hope it helps distract you from Real Life the way "Our Screwed-Up Destiny" and my Dream Charmed did. CARINA SAID: I've decided to reply to these first, and then go back and reply to your comments. Then you can do the same with the older ones to catch up. ESMERALDA SAID: *nods* Sounds very good. ---------------- CARINA SAID: Here we go. Because, I'm re-watching S1 myself, this is fun to do, I'm nearly done with S1, and hope to keep posting reviews, so far, I've posted ones on the first two episodes, if you'd like to read them, feel free. ESMERALDA SAID: Work has been and is going to continue to be very busy for me the next couple weeks, so I'm sure I'll keep crashing when I get home. BUT when things decide to settle down, I want to post my own reviews from a previous personal re-watch (I stopped at 'Sleuthing with the Enemy' - just couldn't stand it anymore!) and also post my grades and 3 favorite moments from the S1 episodes. Doing that - a bunch of us all watching it at the same time and posting our reactions - has been SUCH fun! CARINA SAID: I was too young to see them in any of those shows, so Charmed was the first show, I saw any of them in something. ESMERALDA SAID: Times like this I'm glad I'm as old as I am. They were both great shows, the first a comedy I could actually enjoy (can't any of the current ones - they hit me as stupid, not funny), the second a quirky drama I got a kick out of. CARINA SAID: Me too, they were the perfect duo, and balance to the sisters and felt like we the viewers were the Andy/Darryl in a way. ESMERALDA SAID: Can't agree that they were a perfect duo - but I agree that he and Darryl helped balance the sisters. Had she told him a LOT earlier (you can tell if a Halliwell truly loves a non-magical by how quickly they let them in on the secret) and he had been able to accept her as a witch, I'd agree. I would've preferred their relationship to be more like Paige and Henry, the one I count as the perfect duo. Here's my perfect duos: Prue and Bane Piper and Mark Phoebe and Drake or Phoebe and Kyra Paige and Henry CARINA SAID: I wish those things too. I'll always wonder how the show would be, if Leo and Piper never were in a relationship, but they had a whitelighter who is truly just the guide. I heard the reboot did that and made him out to be the older brother, but I now hear whispers they are doing a love triangle. ESMERALDA SAID: Haven't wasted a second on the ripoff and don't plan on ever doing so. I hear their whitelighter was more like Buffy's Giles than Charmed's Leo. That would've been a lot better. I hope they won't match him up with any of the sisters, but knowing The WB/The CW they will. CARINA SAID: I really loved "That Seventies Episode" when I re-watched it recently. I'm onto Out of Sight atm, with only three more to go. ESMERALDA: WOW! You're almost done! At the Charmed Cafe, we just re-re-watched 'The Power of Two'. This weekend it's 'Love Hurts' and 'Deja Vu All Over Again' so that next week we can start re-watching S2 the same week of the year it started in '99. CARINA SAID: I really don't mind it either, because, I don't mind jumping in and out of stories each episode, because re-watching S1 shows how great it is when the main arc is the relationship between the sisters and characters. ESMERALDA: Oh, yes! I mainly love them because they usually concentrate on the sisters and innocents, not boyfriends/husband and demons. CARINA SAID: I liked how they handled her mourning Andy. Something that I hated later on when Phoebe and Paige had so many love interests. ESMERALDA SAID: AMEN!!! CARINA SAID: I don't know why, but when I first saw this, I hated Piper for picking Leo over Dan. I don't know why, maybe I just saw how good Dan was for Piper, and I remember how much backlash well from those around me, when the show was talked about, who could not stand Piper and felt like she used Dan. ESMERALDA SAID: Oh, yes, I definitely think she just used him, which is when I started disliking her and later hated her. For me, my favorite "season" of Charmed is from 'The Truth is Out There And it Hurts' to 'Awakened'. I didn't like Prue before that; I don't like Piper after it. And I hated Phoebe after 'Sleuthing with the Enemy'. CARINA SAID: Not sure why, but I never felt like they were made for each-other, they just brought each-other down, especially by the time we get to S6-S8. In the earlier seasons, yes they are great. ESMERALDA SAID: Definitely not! But the show made them out to be soulmates, so we had to go with it. CARINA SAID: Wasn't she so much fun, and I loved her going back to school and caring about people. She was so much fun, I wished I could be her friend, not PhoeME, who I'll run away from. ESMERALDA: Hehehehe! You and me BOTH! Phoebs will always be my favorite sister. PhoeME will always be my least-favorite sister. -------------- CARINA SAID: I wished she stayed in school longer. She should have been Psychologist or Social Worker. Look at S1, and you can see, how great she is helping innocents and her sisters with their problems. I don't like Phoebe working at a paper. ESMERALDA SAID: I will always wonder if Phoebe would've been the social worker if they hadn't fired Shannen. DON'T I WISH! CARINA SAID: Ditto. This episode makes me sad, for knowing what will come later. ESMERALDA SAID: Amen. For some reason I didn't do that during our re-watch or our re-re-watch of S1. I hope I don't during our re-watch of S2 or it will no longer be my favorite season - S1 will be - so these grades would flip. CARINA SAID: I see why you picked those as your least favorites. Most fans go straight to She's a Man, Baby a Man and That Old Black Magic as the worst of S2, I know those are popular choices for the worst of Charmed. ESMERALDA SAID: I love 'She's a Man, Baby, a Man' - I LOVE Manny! - and it includes my all-time favorite scene from Charmed: How I wish these three non-magicals were the ones the Charmed Ones had ended up with! Again, you'd have that connection to the Real World that they lost when it was an angel and a demon instead. I don't like 'That Old Black Magic' (mainly due to Jenny and Kyle - I liked Tuatha as a villain) but I don't hate it the way I hate the other two. CARINA SAID: Julian was fantastic, and the best actor on Charmed. ESMERALDA SAID: CARINA SAID: And I hated Piper's new power, and didn't like all the stuff with how fast Piper and Leo marry, and the reasons for it. I was hoping they'd just be dating this season and or Leo had been taken away for most of the season. ESMERALDA SAID: And again I'll say AMEN! Leo gone for all of S3 would've been PERFECT! Made everything SO much more dramatic than when he could orb them out whenever they were in trouble! CARINA SAID: I don't remember their hair much, I'll have to re-watch and see myself. I just know, I didn't mind Phoebe's hair. ESMERALDA SAID: It was something we discussed a lot at the Cafe, so I noticed it during my re-watches. I HATED Phoebe's hair later on, especially in Season 4. CARINA SAID: That is when they went for suspense with a cliffhanger ending, regardless how it affected the sisters. I always think that is why they did it just for a shock cliffhanger ending going into Christmas. ESMERALDA SAID: I hadn't thought of that, but I think you're absolutely right! CARINA SAID: I never thought about it like that, but it does make a perfect trilogy. ESMERALDA: CARINA SAID: I'm assuming you still don't have the DVDs. I was gifted S8, as I didn't buy it, but, I have it. Even though, I can find the extras online anyways. ESMERALDA SAID: Actually I do. StoryGirl83 got the Book of Shadows version with all of the DVDs so when she came to visit me, she gave me her other copies of the seasons I wanted - 4, 5 and 8. There are episodes in 4 and 5 that I like and I liked the extras in 8. But I'd never pay for any of them. CARINA SAID: Yeah, 6, 7 & 8 are a mess. ESMERALDA SAID: I like some of the episodes in 7 and storylines in 8 (Paige and Henry and Drake, Kyra and Zankou, but much prefer the earlier ones. CARINA SAID: I know, Paige was forced on us, and why, I just don't like Charmed Again. The acting from Holly was great, but I just wasn't happy they didn't do a proper tribute to Prue. ESMERALDA SAID: I know it was hard to do anything when they couldn't show Prue, but they should've been able to figure out SOME way of leaving Paige out for a couple episodes. -------------- CARINA SAID: I still liked Paige in the first half of S4, on a past re-watch 7 years ago. ESMERALDA SAID: During re-watches, I did, too. She was my favorite when she didn't act like a ditzy Valley Girl which Rose did much too often. I wish someone else had played her. CARINA SAID: Why did they force them into that role. When the writers kept mentioning this with Piper and Phoebe's new roles, I wanted to yell at my television. ESMERALDA SAID: You and me both! Kern wanted it to be new and fresh and instead it ruined it! CARINA SAID: She was a fantastic social worker, a job, she needed to keep. ESMERALDA SAID: DEFINITELY!!! CARINA SAID: At that point, the sisters bond should have ended, no Power of Three. It was Power Outage all over again. I never understood why. ESMERALDA SAID: Me neither --------------- CARINA SAID: I hate Marry Go Round, a least favorite episode of mine. ESMERALDA SAID: I hated some S6, S7 and S8 episodes more, but I definitely did not like it. CARINA SAID: I wished it was Prue here too. ESMERALDA SAID: CARINA SAID: Seeing the Original Source's face was the worst thing ever, honestly, he made me laugh so much. The voice was even worse. He was no longer a threat, and just another lower level demon to me. Now, the Source seen in 'All Hell Breaks Loose' sitting on his throne, dressed the way he was, holding a sword with large wings attached to his back, now that scared me so much. And when he could take possession of anyone, like he did in his earlier episodes. Now that would have been how, I'd have done S4, so the sisters have no idea who the Source is. I don't think he should have ever appeared as himself when he came above ground, only when he takes possession of someone. Too bad, Human Cole should have been taken possession of Cole with the Source vanquished at the end of the season, and in turn, Phoebe forced to make the sacrifice of Cole to defeat the Source. Also, is it me, or was the Source's mythology always an ever going change episode to episode. First I thought he was the Devil or Satan. Then, he actually came from hell, and only resurfaced to the underworld, because it was a rare situation. Then he is just the leader of the underworld, and always was around, not came from somewhere else like hell. Then they called him the Source, and then they named him the Source of All Evil, then he was just a demon leading for 500 years. I could go on. I hated the inconsistency, that I would have been happier, if he never appeared, and we just heard about him. Save lots of headaches. How come the Evil Charmed Ones were not the ultimate big bads not the Source. Witches vs. Warlocks could have been a much more balanced battle. Why do the Charmed Ones need to battle the Devil. I re-watched 'When Bad Warlocks Go Good' in my re-watch and wondered this, and why they let this episode be a one-off. ESMERALDA SAID: I have to get going so I'll answer to this last part when I get home.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2019 11:36:01 GMT -5
No way was Kernus gonna give Prue a proper tribute.
Many feel that whole line that Prue was meant to die to make room for Paige, in Charmed Again, was Kernus giving one last "F*ck you!" to Shannen and her fans.
It's possible that was the original idea.
Then Shannen got fired and they switched the Social Worker thing over to Paige.
However, they had to give Phoebe something to do, hence the Advice Columnist.
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Post by Carina on Oct 3, 2019 22:20:48 GMT -5
Esmeralda, loved your comments, looking forward to replying to them, but I might wait until you finish off and have time to read and reply to the last part you ran out of time on and will do when you get home.
So I'll keep going on Season 5 onwards.
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Post by Carina on Oct 3, 2019 22:24:39 GMT -5
TIM SAID: No way was Kernus gonna give Prue a proper tribute.
Many feel that whole line that Prue was meant to die to make room for Paige, in Charmed Again, was Kernus giving one last "F*ck you!" to Shannen and her fans.
CARINA SAID: I wouldn't be surprised, that would be so typical of Kern. I always am really sad we didn't get a one year anniversary on Prue's death, and or them visiting her grave at any point in S4-S8, even if it were one of the sisters sitting by her grave talking to her and going I wonder what you'd tell me, if you were here on what we should do in regards to a situation or dealing with a demon etc. TIM SAID: Then Shannen got fired and they switched the Social Worker thing over to Paige.
However, they had to give Phoebe something to do, hence the Advice Columnist.
CARINA SAID: I wouldn't be surprised, if that is what happened. The same way they threw Paige being suspicious of Cole, which was what Prue did first. I'd so love Phoebe as a social worker, too bad they still could have done that, and made Paige an artist, who owned an art gallery, since her art was part of Muses to My Ears. But, I still love Paige as a social worker too.
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Post by Carina on Oct 3, 2019 22:42:27 GMT -5
CARINA SAID: I agree with that, S6-S8, are so bad.
CARINA SAID: I never thought about it like that, but your right, S4 was much too dark, and S5 was too light, actually the first half of S5 before Cole was gone, did have a couple of dark ones.
I'll wonder, if when fans meant meeting more people in the magical world, they meant actual witches, covens and such, not the magical world as in actual magical creatures. Yeah, sometimes, you better beware what you wish for alright.
CARINA SAID: I really wished she had Prudence Melinda, and still didn't like the idea of her having a child this early. Too bad, if they waited a season later, when Holly was truly pregnant, then we'd have her having her first child at the end of S6.
I have a question for you. If Piper wasn't pregnant in S5, do you still see Leo becoming an Elder, and if he did, then, I'll wonder if it would be easier for them to stay separated without a child included. I'll still bet, Piper/Leo conceive their first child in 'The Courtship of Wyatt's Father', prompting Leo to return. But I'd assume in a set-up like this, Chris would be a big bad, and or perhaps even Phoebe's son from S4, who somehow didn't die or something, or came from a dark future, where she did have that child aftet all.
CARINA SAID: "Sense & Sense Ability" is one of my favorite episodes, it is so funny. I like 'Chick Flick' followed by 'Sin Francisco' followed by Sense & Sense Ability'. Those three are the best ones, I can't remember any other ones, off the top of my head, that are funny ones. 'I Dream of Phoebe' maybe too.
CARINA SAID: I didn't like Cole in S5. I hear rumors, the Cole/Source arc was meant to be the first half of S5, with Long Live the Queen as the 100th episode.
CARINA SAID: Well said, I agree, I wished she stayed as a social worker. I'm just not that crazy about Paige in S5-S7, I didn't care for her temp jobs and her running Magic School. If anybody should have had temp jobs it was Phoebe, until she figured out what she really wanted to do. I'd even think that could have been a distraction for Phoebe in S5, after Cole.
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 4, 2019 7:39:51 GMT -5
Esmeralda, loved your comments, looking forward to replying to them, but I might wait until you finish off and have time to read and reply to the last part you ran out of time on and will do when you get home. So I'll keep going on Season 5 onwards. Sounds very good. If again you want to wait to reply to my replies until you're done replying to my reviews that's perfectly AOK with me. I'm going to be very busy both this weekend AND next week AND next weekend (we have a show going on at work) so I'm sure I wouldn't be able to reply back to your replies and just have time to reply to your replies to the reviews. So you just continuing to reply is probably best. But for now, here's my reply to the rest of the previous one: CARINA SAID: Seeing the Original Source's face was the worst thing ever, honestly, he made me laugh so much. The voice was even worse. He was no longer a threat, and just another lower level demon to me. ESMERALDA SAID: How ANYONE could think HE was the Source of All Evil is hilarious! ------------------ CARINA SAID: Now, the Source seen in 'All Hell Breaks Loose' sitting on his throne, dressed the way he was, holding a sword with large wings attached to his back, now that scared me so much. ESMERALDA SAID: I've wondered if they did that since the same actor played both him and Shax and Belthazor and they may have wanted to show both of them together. ------------------ CARINA SAID: And when he could take possession of anyone, like he did in his earlier episodes. Now that would have been how, I'd have done S4, so the sisters have no idea who the Source is. I don't think he should have ever appeared as himself when he came above ground, only when he takes possession of someone. ESMERALDA SAID: No, since that was S4, that was Half-Face not the other one. BUT if it WAS the other one who could possess anyone (imagine him possessing Cole or possessing Leo or possessing one of the sisters!) would be the most scariest villain ever! -------------------- CARINA SAID: Too bad, Human Cole should have been taken possession of Cole with the Source vanquished at the end of the season, and in turn, Phoebe forced to make the sacrifice of Cole to defeat the Source. ESMERALDA SAID: That was done in one of my favorite fanfics (except that Cole was actually dead with the Source totally taking him over), but unfortunately it was never finished. I SO wish it had! ----------------- CARINA SAID: Also, is it me, or was the Source's mythology always an ever going change episode to episode. First I thought he was the Devil or Satan. Then, he actually came from hell, and only resurfaced to the underworld, because it was a rare situation. Then he is just the leader of the underworld, and always was around, not came from somewhere else like hell. Then they called him the Source, and then they named him the Source of All Evil, then he was just a demon leading for 500 years. ESMERALDA SAID: Yup, it was back to Kern not caring about what happened earlier. I'm SURE they meant him to be Satan in S1 and I wish he had remained that way. I think it was all part of Kern wanting their destiny to be to vanquish the Source (which they could never do to Satan) rather than protecting innocents. -------------------- CARINA SAID: I could go on. I hated the inconsistency, that I would have been happier, if he never appeared, and we just heard about him. Save lots of headaches. ESMERALDA SAID: AMEN! ----------------- CARINA SAID: How come the Evil Charmed Ones were not the ultimate big bads not the Source. Witches vs. Warlocks could have been a much more balanced battle. Why do the Charmed Ones need to battle the Devil. I re-watched 'When Bad Warlocks Go Good' in my re-watch and wondered this, and why they let this episode be a one-off. ESMERALDA SAID: With Brendon becoming a priest, you no longer had the Evil Charmed Ones, and they weren't into story arcs at that point. I would've preferred Rex, Cole and Zankou as three warlocks who are the Evil Charmed Ones - the Rowe Coven didn't seem evil enough or powerful enough or smart enough to actually be the prophesied Evil Charmed Ones the way those three were.
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 4, 2019 8:14:32 GMT -5
CARINA SAID: I agree with that, S6-S8, are so bad. ESMERALDA SAID: AMEN!! CARINA SAID: I never thought about it like that, but you're right, S4 was much too dark, and S5 was too light, actually the first half of S5 before Cole was gone, did have a couple of dark ones. ESMERALDA SAID: Just like S4 had some light moments. Just not enough to balance it out for me. --------------- CARINA SAID: I'll wonder, if when fans meant meeting more people in the magical world, they meant actual witches, covens and such, not the magical world as in actual magical creatures. Yeah, sometimes, you better beware what you wish for alright. ESMERALDA SAID: No, that's not what they were asking about since we'd already had those. CARINA SAID: I really wished she had Prudence Melinda, and still didn't like the idea of her having a child this early. Too bad, if they waited a season later, when Holly was truly pregnant, then we'd have her having her first child at the end of S6. ESMERALDA: That really does sound like the best way to do it. Although I would've preferred it being like my Dream Charmed where she doesn't get pregnant until the series is over. ----------------------- CARINA SAID: I have a question for you. If Piper wasn't pregnant in S5, do you still see Leo becoming an Elder, and if he did, then, I'll wonder if it would be easier for them to stay separated without a child included. ESMERALDA SAID: I do, because they did that because Brian Krause was about to sign a new contract and threatened to leave if he didn't get paid the same as the ones playing the sisters--which didn't happen. I'll always wish he had left and Chris blowing up his atoms would've been the last time we saw Leo! Instead this let them keep him, but as an Elder. ----------------- CARINA SAID: I'll still bet, Piper/Leo conceive their first child in 'The Courtship of Wyatt's Father', prompting Leo to return. But I'd assume in a set-up like this, Chris would be a big bad, and or perhaps even Phoebe's son from S4, who somehow didn't die or something, or came from a dark future, where she did have that child after all. ESMERALDA SAID: And that's the plot behind another one of my favorite stories... CARINA SAID: "Sense & Sense Ability" is one of my favorite episodes, it is so funny. I like 'Chick Flick' followed by 'Sin Francisco' followed by Sense & Sense Ability'. Those three are the best ones, I can't remember any other ones, off the top of my head, that are funny ones. 'I Dream of Phoebe' maybe too. ESMERALDA SAID: All three of those are among my favorite episodes - IF you take Chris out of 'I Dream of Phoebe' - I HATE him in that more than just about any other episode! Charmed as a dramedy when we laughed WITH them, not AT them (as I did in most of S6 and all of S7-8 is when I loved it the best over the pure dramatic ones. Those just weren't done well, although they're great in fanfics. CARINA SAID: I didn't like Cole in S5. I hear rumors, the Cole/Source arc was meant to be the first half of S5, with Long Live the Queen as the 100th episode. ESMERALDA SAID: That's the first time I've heard that rumor. I don't know what they would've done in the meantime in S4. I have read that Kern told Julian not to worry about what they did to him at the end of S4 because he wanted him to be part of the 100th episode (so, no, Julian did NOT leave due to "Nip/Tuck" as some fans think - it's when Kern planned on him leaving), so I think it was always meant to be this way, especially when they didn't know if The WB would pick up Charmed for a fifth episode. CARINA SAID: Well said, I agree, I wished she stayed as a social worker. I'm just not that crazy about Paige in S5-S7, I didn't care for her temp jobs and her running Magic School. If anybody should have had temp jobs it was Phoebe, until she figured out what she really wanted to do. I'd even think that could have been a distraction for Phoebe in S5, after Cole. ESMEFRALDA SAID: AMEN!!! HOW I WISH THAT WAS TRUE! I'm sure that's what they originally planned for Phoebe, but changed it when they fired Shannen.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2019 11:09:30 GMT -5
Yeah, they only visited Prue's grave once. In the furies episode, in which Fury Piper rants at Prue for dying and leaving her (a powerful scene, IMO).
Paige really suffered when they took the Social Worker thing away from her.
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Post by Carina on Oct 6, 2019 3:49:01 GMT -5
Yeah, they only visited Prue's grave once. In the furies episode, in which Fury Piper rants at Prue for dying and leaving her (a powerful scene, IMO).
Paige really suffered when they took the Social Worker thing away from her.
CARINA SAID: It was a powerful scene, great acting by Holly. I felt like Phoebe should have been present here, not Paige. Paige felt really off putting here, telling Prue it is okay to hate her, felt like Kern wanted us to hate Shannen. But, I hate we only saw her grave once. That is something, that should be recurring to visit and keep her memory alive. She sure did, I don't think Rose liked Paige getting the magical creatures and temp jobs. I think in an interview, she hated those stories.
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Post by Carina on Oct 6, 2019 4:22:47 GMT -5
CARINA SAID: As we discussed, and you being super busy as you told me. I'll wait until I'm done reading all your reviews, and then we can go back and respond to your replies, and catch-up on older ones. I had a busy past couple of days, and got distracted by my own Charmed marathon, I've gone into S2, and am onto 'She's a Man, Baby, a Man". But, I don't know why, S2 feels weird, the first few episodes appear to be in a funny order, one second Leo is back, and then the next episode he is gone, and they are teasing her about Dan. Isn't she with Leo? Back to review. CARINA SAID: I hate Drew Fuller too. He really was miscast. I wished they hired a better actor. Why on earth did they make him out to be so evil and kill. That goes against everything his family would stand for, but the sisters were not saints either. CARINA SAID: 100% EVERYTHING YOU SAID HERE. CARINA SAID: BOO HOO!!! CARINA SAID: Don't you just hate when canon isn't accurate and they go against everything they stand for. CARINA SAID: I hated that, it made it ALL about her and less about innocents, and helping people. Who came up with that stupid plotline. I'm embarrassed for her, especially in Spin City, another episode I hated and how she treated dating to find the father of her child. CARINA SAID: NOT a good enough reason, why isn't he shamed for killing and screwing up their lives and what he did to keep his secret hidden. CARINA SAID: Yeah, that really did put problems on S6 having to change things. But they had Piper pregnant in the last six episodes, and tried covering up her pregnancy before. And she spent all that time at Magic School. Too bad they couldn't find other creative ways to work around it, as so many shows do with Hollywood magic. What if Piper was injured, and or recovering in bed, she was at Magic School and Holly needed less screen-time. I'm sure they could have worked around it more. Incorporating a pregnancy into a series due a real life actress getting pregnant always proves problematic for said show, seen multiple shows do it, and it only ruins the characters and the plot in the long-run. While I praise, the shows that work around it, and hide it as best they can, and or reduce the screentime of the actor, find ways to have them MIA, and or cut the season order down a couple of episodes. But it is what it is. I never saw any caring moments between them at all, going by canon, either. CARINA SAID: 'Hyde School Reunion' one of the ALL time worst episodes, with ends justify the means in full motion. I'd totally see that happening, with them all burning. I liked the comics, especially Season 9, and the two ebooks. Season 10, I HATED what they did to Prue, and the sisters, did someone hire Kern's twin brother to write it. CARINA SAID: Yeah, that didn't last long. I'd love a single mom raising a child, but of course, Leo was no saint either by this point, so I don't blame her. If Brian never returned after S5, I'll wonder if he were dead DEAD, if she'd stay a single mom. Dating so soon after the love of her life died, would be even worse. CARINA SAID: You made remember just how bad everyone was in S6. The only episode I liked with Paige was 'Soul Survivor' wanting to save an innocent, unless I've confused it with another episode or season. CARINA SAID: I never understood the love he gets, Fanfics I'd get. He was so bad, I didn't shed a tear when he died in the S6 finale. CARINA SAID: Yeah, I remember they just wanted to steal from Harry Potter, because it was a huge hit at the box office during this time. I don't know why they bothered adding it. I hated they left Paige in charge of it. Then stopped using the book of shadows at times, because Magic School has all the answers. That rubbed me the wrong way, and insulted me. Sword and the City and Used Karma are the only ones not to include him. So I'll assume these are the ones that are good. I didn't mind 'Soul Survivor', if I'm remembering the episode, it had Leo/Chris in a boring subplot used just for time, while they both should have been cut, as it served no purpose than filler. CARINA SAID: *nods* Don't you just wish you could wipe this season from your memory completely. If you wiped your memory after Necromancy the Stone and until to S7 or at some point, you are not missing out on much. Wipe your memory of S8 completely, and wipe your memory out of the Chris/Wyatt Future selves episodes, and I'd wonder how one would react to Charmed. Just pretend Piper/Leo had a second child off-screen.
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 6, 2019 11:37:04 GMT -5
CARINA SAID: As we discussed, and you being super busy as you told me. I'll wait until I'm done reading all your reviews, and then we can go back and respond to your replies, and catch-up on older ones. ESMERALDA SAID: *nods* Sounds good. Although I admit that there are other stories that I've posted and that I'd LOVE to see what you think of them. So if you'd rather read and reply to them as compared to reply to earlier conversations, that's perfectly AOK with me! ------------- CARINA SAID: I had a busy past couple of days, and got distracted by my own Charmed marathon, I've gone into S2, and am onto 'She's a Man, Baby, a Man". But, I don't know why, S2 feels weird, the first few episodes appear to be in a funny order, one second Leo is back, and then the next episode he is gone, and they are teasing her about Dan. Isn't she with Leo? ESMERALDA SAID: You're right. They're not aired in production order, just like S1 wasn't. When we did our re-re-watch at the Charmed Cafe, we did them in production order and it was amazing how much more sense they made. We're going to do the same thing with S2, starting next weekend! ----------- ESMERALDA SAID: I get the feeling that you're not in America. I wish you were so I could invite you to join us for our S2 re-watch - it's SUCH fun watching it at the same time as other fans and posting our reactions and then grading them and coming up with our three favorite moments! ------------- CARINA SAID: Back to review. ESMERALDA SAID: CARINA SAID: I hate Drew Fuller too. He really was miscast. I wished they hired a better actor. ESMERALDA SAID: YOU AND ME BOTH!!! Just like they needed someone else to play Paige! ------------ CARINA SAID: Why on earth did they make him out to be so evil and kill? That goes against everything his family would stand for, but the sisters were not saints either. ESMERALDA SAID: But the sisters weren't saints thanks to what Chris told them! They NEVER would've set up Rick to be killed in any other season, but Chris made it seem like it was perfectly AOK - made them seem like HEROES for doing all that crap! It is SO obvious that KERN thinks that ends justify the means! CARINA SAID: 100% EVERYTHING YOU SAID HERE. ESMERALDA SAID: CARINA SAID: BOO HOO!!! ESMERALDA SAID: Hehehehe! CARINA SAID: Don't you just hate when canon isn't accurate and they go against everything they stand for. ESMERALDA SAID: Well, canon SHOULD remain accurate, but them doing that?? GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! CARINA SAID: I hated that, it made it ALL about her and less about innocents, and helping people. Who came up with that stupid plotline. I'm embarrassed for her, especially in Spin City, another episode I hated and how she treated dating to find the father of her child. ESMERALDA SAID: AMEN! CARINA SAID: NOT a good enough reason, why isn't he shamed for killing and screwing up their lives and what he did to keep his secret hidden. ESMERALDA: CARINA SAID: Yeah, that really did put problems on S6 having to change things. But they had Piper pregnant in the last six episodes, and tried covering up her pregnancy before. And she spent all that time at Magic School. Too bad they couldn't find other creative ways to work around it, as so many shows do with Hollywood magic. What if Piper was injured, and or recovering in bed, she was at Magic School and Holly needed less screen-time. I'm sure they could have worked around it more. Incorporating a pregnancy into a series due a real life actress getting pregnant always proves problematic for said show, seen multiple shows do it, and it only ruins the characters and the plot in the long-run. While I praise, the shows that work around it, and hide it as best they can, and or reduce the screentime of the actor, find ways to have them MIA, and or cut the season order down a couple of episodes. But it is what it is. ESMERALDA SAID: That it is. UNFORTUNATELY!!! Although nowaday I also think they changed it because so many teenaged fans went nutzoid over Cutie Pipe Drew that they changed him from being the Big Bad of the season to Sir Christopher, come back to save the day. BARF! The heroes should ALWAYS be the Charmed Ones and the Charmed Ones should always be someone you can cheer for, not cheer against as I did the rest of the series! ---------- CARINA SAID: I never saw any caring moments between them at all, going by canon, either. ESMERALDA SAID: Nope. I thought he hated all of them, counting all of them as dumb and unable to do anything without his help - typical Kern! CARINA SAID: 'Hyde School Reunion' one of the ALL time worst episodes, with ends justify the means in full motion. ESMERALDA SAID: That and 'Valhalley of the Dolls, Part Two' when they soul-raped Darryl without his permission right after Chris murdered the Valkyrie just so he could have the medal. And since both Phoebe and Paige made it into Valhalla, that means he murdered TWO Valkyries! ----------- CARINA SAID: I'd totally see that happening, with them all burning. ESMERALDA SAID: Oh, can I! And, oops, that's making me think of something else that might help distract you from Real Life! But not until you're done with Season Seven and Eight. --------- CARINA SAID: I liked the comics, especially Season 9, and the two ebooks. Season 10, I HATED what they did to Prue, and the sisters, did someone hire Kern's twin brother to write it. ESMERALDA SAID: Oh, Season 9 is definitely my fanon for what happens after 'Forever Crap'. Season 10, I ignore the way I ignore S6 and everything to do with Future Chris or Future Wyatt! MY Charmed is FEMALE-centric, not male-centric like Kern's! ---------- CARINA SAID: Yeah, that didn't last long. I'd love a single mom raising a child, but of course, Leo was no saint either by this point, so I don't blame her. If Brian never returned after S5, I'll wonder if he were dead DEAD, if she'd stay a single mom. Dating so soon after the love of her life died, would be even worse. ESMERALDA SAID: No, I'm sure they would've gone with the same thing, except that Chris would've become their permanent whitelighter. Aren't I glad THAT didn't happen! -------------- CARINA SAID: You made remember just how bad everyone was in S6. The only episode I liked with Paige was 'Soul Survivor' wanting to save an innocent, unless I've confused it with another episode or season. ESMERALDA SAID: It's been SO long since I watched S6 (Like S8, I watched it when it first aired and haven't watched a single episode since) I can't say that for sure. Now I almost wish I had an S6 DVD so I could re-watch it and see if my opinion has changed. CARINA SAID: I never understood the love he gets, Fanfics I'd get. He was so bad, I didn't shed a tear when he died in the S6 finale. ESMERALDA SAID: I not only didn't shed a tear, I literally jumped up and CHEERED, because as soon as Leo gave Wyatt to Chris, I was CERTAIN that he was going to kill Wyatt! That's how horrible of a job Drew Fuller did! I think fans liked the POSSIBILITY of what Chris could've been - his story has inspired more Charmed fics than any other. Like I said before, I like him in fanfics (in some cases, love him), but not on the show. CARINA SAID: Yeah, I remember they just wanted to steal from Harry Potter, because it was a huge hit at the box office during this time. I don't know why they bothered adding it. I hated they left Paige in charge of it. ESMERALDA SAID: You and me both! --------- CARINA SAID: Then stopped using the book of shadows at times, because Magic School has all the answers. That rubbed me the wrong way, and insulted me. ESMERALDA: I think that's what I hated more than anything else about the alternate-universe spin-off (what fans call S4-8) - the murder of the Book of Shadows which always seemed like a member of the family during Charmed (S1-3). CARINA SAID: Sword and the City and Used Karma are the only ones not to include him. So I'll assume these are the ones that are good. I didn't mind 'Soul Survivor', if I'm remembering the episode, it had Leo/Chris in a boring subplot used just for time, while they both should have been cut, as it served no purpose than filler. ESMERALDA SAID: And as I said, it's been so long since I've watched any of it, I really can't say. CARINA SAID: *nods* Don't you just wish you could wipe this season from your memory completely. If you wiped your memory after Necromancy the Stone and until to S7 or at some point, you are not missing out on much. Wipe your memory of S8 completely, and wipe your memory out of the Chris/Wyatt Future selves episodes, and I'd wonder how one would react to Charmed. Just pretend Piper/Leo had a second child off-screen. ESMERALDA SAID: OH! Do I have a present for you! A member of the Charmed Cafe came up with the PERFECT way to re-watch Charmed! She doesn't suggest suggesting it to newcomers - they may end up liking S6; some fans still do - but if you've already watched it and DON'T, oh, is this perfect! Okay, so I finally saw all season 7 and 8 via Netflix. Here’s what I gathered: I realized something very drastic as I tried to love Season 7... Since I hate S6, I watched S7 right after S5 and I didn't enjoy it. I didn't understand why or how their personalities changed so much. S5 they were more light and comedic; S7 they were more serious. Some episodes were very boring and dragged on. But I noticed something... what ruined me liking this season was watching it after S5. I decided to skip S5 and S6 and watch S7 right after S4. I must say it helped A LOT. Watching S7 after S4 made S6 a lot better. Their personalities in S7 resemble the earlier seasons of 1-4. A lot of references of what occurred in S4 are mentioned. S7 also has what Charmed was about from the beginning: protecting the innocent. There were some episodes that didn’t fit in or were just plain boring, so I decided to remove the boring episodes that just dragged on and just include the good ones. THESE are the S7 episodes that I no longer watch: A Call to Arms Bare Witch Project Cheaper by the Coven Charrrmed Once in a Blue Moon Charmed Noir Ordinary Witches Imaginary Fiends These are all the episodes I've removed. This is just personal preference. The Avatar plot that dragged on for 13 episodes is now limited to 6. I watch ‘Styx Feet Under’ as the first episode since it has them trying to protect an innocent. I think it’s more suitable since they decided in S4 to keep their powers after the they protect an innocent. Skipping these episodes also skip most of the show inconsistency, except Magic School and Paige being a whitelighter. I couldn't stand Wyatt having a million powers; now he only has whitelighter powers which is orbing, lol. All the episodes are self-explanatory. The boys’ births are shown in flashbacks and everything is more to the point. Now there is a two-year gap, but to me it’s okay. I pretend S7 starts with a sign that says “Two Years Later”, By skipping S5 and those episodes, this season is REALLY good. It’s more direct. And their attitudes make more sense. Piper seems to be like she was in S4, Phoebe seems matured, and Paige is more comfortable. I recommend anyone who is as unsure about whether to buy this season as I was to try this approach. I’m not saying that S7 is perfect but watching it after S4 and starting it with ‘Styx Feet Under’ is a lot better. Leo isn't as crazy either. Also, skipping the Cole arc in S5 and watching him in ‘Seven Year Witch’ after S4 is a lot more fulfilling to their situation. I love it... S7 is Charmed going full circle. The Drake storyline is fun; I loved his chemistry with Phoebe. And the Zankou storyline is good. For some reason the finale seems a lot better watching it after season 4. ESMERALDA SAID: I’ve tried watching Charmed her way and it’s amazing how very good it is! I still don’t like S4 but doing it this way makes even that seems better. Since you’re doing your own re-watch, why not give this version a try?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 17:21:43 GMT -5
She did.
Rose has said that, every time the show was renewed, she'd cry. Considering the cr*ppy scripts they kept handing her, I can't blame her for wanting out.
It's a wonder that J.K. Rowling didn't sue them into the poor house.
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Post by Carina on Oct 7, 2019 9:19:30 GMT -5
CARINA SAID: As we discussed, and you being super busy as you told me. I'll wait until I'm done reading all your reviews, and then we can go back and respond to your replies, and catch-up on older ones. ESMERALDA SAID: *nods* Sounds good. Although I admit that there are other stories that I've posted and that I'd LOVE to see what you think of them. So if you'd rather read and reply to them as compared to reply to earlier conversations, that's perfectly AOK with me! CARINA SAID: Had a busy Sunday and been helping my mom with things that had to be taken care of. So I had time now to reply. I think I'll keep going until I finish these reviews, if that is okay, and see if any other stories take my interest. I've been reading your comments though, I hope to catch up with replying to earlier conversations after. CARINA SAID: I really liked Kyra, Drake and Zankou. CARINA: I like your Dream Charmed version better. Question Es, was this arc planned in S5, because they introduced them and they went after Cole, It was odd, like if Julian stayed that would be the arc for S5, but it got moved to S7 with Leo. I don't know why, it just felt that way, to me looking back now.
Why they made Kyle a whitelighter was so disgusting.
CARINA SAID: rolls eyes, exactly. CARINA SAID: Is that what her name was, that blonde Elder. Didn't know that. Makes me wonder what Natalie would be like if she did not die, and was still around. The females were great but the males weren't.
CARINA SAID: This was bad. I hate that episode in general, because they forget Astral Monkey when non witches get powers what it does to them or am I wrong. CARINA SAID: And I didn't like Leo after he became mortal, and how Piper treated him with her nagging. But most fans seem to love Piper/Leo as a couple. I got tired of the Piper/ Leo show, when I barely felt like the sisters were together much, unless they needed to say a Power of Three spell. I wished Leo didn't get so much screentime, where I felt like he was second lead with Phoebe and Paige below him, that is what I felt like with S7.
Could this have been because Rose and Alyssa got bored with the show. They didn't do a good balance.
I don't like when Leo and Cole and Chris take over. Watching S1 and part of S2, none of the co-stars are taking attention off our stars thus yet, we'll see when I notice this changing.
Why do they do this, I think this is just what happens when a show ages, the stars get tired and want more time off, as doing the show year after year can be draining, so they give more screentime to others. This is why, I always think a show shouldn't last for so long.
CARINA SAID: How is this even possible using Prue's power. How can it be taught.
It could have been great if they died saving the world, if that was the finale. Because, I don't get why they still stayed at the manor faking their deaths. That made zero sense to me. No dummy can believe they are three cousins.
CARINA SAID: Lots of good stuff in S7, like you mentioned. I'm surprised, Phoebe didn't end up with Drake in the end. Oh, well. What if he was the birth father of her child, but still died. CARINA SAID: She could have made a good co-star than Billie in S8. I know the comics did bring her back and used her. CARINA SAID:I didn't mind Charmed Noir, it is Rose's favorite episode. I forgot about Leslie too. Didn't like him.
It is bad,but not as bad as S6.
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Post by Carina on Oct 7, 2019 9:23:21 GMT -5
She did. Rose has said that, every time the show was renewed, she'd cry. Considering the cr*ppy scripts they kept handing her, I can't blame her for wanting out.
CARINA SAID: I don't blame her, she really should not have signed that contract, I bet, she didn't think Charmed would go beyond Season 4. She had terrible scripts, S4 was the only one she seemed to enjoy it. But she strikes me as the type who likes to do one thing and move onto something else, Charmed is her only on-going role. She really was better off just doing movies.
TIM SAID: It's a wonder that J.K. Rowling didn't sue them into the poor house.
CARINA SAID: Me too.
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Post by Carina on Oct 7, 2019 9:29:57 GMT -5
CARINA SAID: I had to reply to this one though, even though I'll save replying to old conversations later, when I finish reviews and other stories.
CARINA SAID: *nods* Don't you just wish you could wipe this season from your memory completely.
If you wiped your memory after Necromancy the Stone and until to S7 or at some point, you are not missing out on much. Wipe your memory of S8 completely, and wipe your memory out of the Chris/Wyatt Future selves episodes, and I'd wonder how one would react to Charmed. Just pretend Piper/Leo had a second child off-screen.
ESMERALDA SAID: OH! Do I have a present for you! A member of the Charmed Cafe came up with the PERFECT way to re-watch Charmed! She doesn't suggest suggesting it to newcomers - they may end up liking S6; some fans still do - but if you've already watched it and DON'T, oh, is this perfect!
CARINA SAID: Want to look over this. ESMERALDA SAID: I’ve tried watching Charmed her way and it’s amazing how very good it is! I still don’t like S4 but doing it this way makes even that seems better. Since you’re doing your own re-watch, why not give this version a try?
CARINA SAID: I think, I will give this one a try, and see how I feel. Thank you for mentioning it.
Is this what you may be doing over at Charmed Cafe, and would you yourself consider doing this again when you finish S4 in your re-watch over at the Cafe, or are you guys watching the whole series?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 12:06:46 GMT -5
Rose no doubt thought that this would be one year, two tops. She never thought it would be half-a-decade.
Of course, it wouldn't have been so bad had the scripts been any good.
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 7, 2019 23:29:00 GMT -5
CARINA SAID: As we discussed, and you being super busy as you told me. I'll wait until I'm done reading all your reviews, and then we can go back and respond to your replies, and catch-up on older ones. ESMERALDA SAID: *nods* Sounds good. Although I admit that there are other stories that I've posted and that I'd LOVE to see what you think of them. So if you'd rather read and reply to them as compared to reply to earlier conversations, that's perfectly AOK with me! CARINA SAID: Had a busy Sunday and been helping my mom with things that had to be taken care of. So I had time now to reply. ESMERALDA SAID: *nods* That was my guess as to why you weren't online. ----------------- CARINA SAID: I think I'll keep going until I finish these reviews, if that is okay, and see if any other stories take my interest. ESMERALDA SAID: That sounds perfect. What I've done for others is post the first chapter of each story I think you might be interested in along with the link to that story. That way if you like any of them, you can check it out. If you don't, please don't be afraid to say so - you won't upset or insult me. I know it can be a matter of different strokes for different folks. ---------------- CARINA SAID: I've been reading your comments though, I hope to catch up with replying to earlier conversations after. ESMERALDA SAID: *nods* Gotcha. CARINA SAID: I really liked Kyra, Drake and Zankou. ESMERALDA SAID: It's amazing me and pleasing me that our reactions are so similar. Up to this point the only thing we disagree on is if Andy and Prue are the perfect couple. You think they are while I think he's just her first love and the boy next door, while she and Bane are the perfect couple. But that's the fun of being fans. Like I said about the stories - different strokes for different folks due to the fact that we've all had different experiences which affects our reactions to different things. But if that's the only thing we disagree on regarding Charmed...WOW! CARINA: I like your Dream Charmed version better. Question Es, was this arc planned in S5, because they introduced them and they went after Cole, It was odd, like if Julian stayed that would be the arc for S5, but it got moved to S7 with Leo. I don't know why, it just felt that way, to me looking back now.
ESMERALDA SAID: (First, I really don't like it when people who aren't my friends call me Es - that's just for my friends. So I really don't like it when Tim does that since I do not count him as my friend at all - there are a lot of reasons why he's been banned from the Charmed Cafe for life, too many to get into here, and I'd rather discuss Charmed than him. Of course since he knows I don't like it, he'll keep doing it - that is one of the many reasons why I do not count him as one of my friends. But, since I DO count you as my friend, I like it when you do, so go right ahead. In fact, if you want me to type "ES SAID:" rather than "ESMERALDA SAID", I will. Up to you.)
No, I don't think they counted this as something that was meant for S5. I count the first half of S7 as mainly a rerun half-season, where they kept rerunning story arcs from previous seasons, like redoing the Avatars and having Paige and Kyle so similar to Phoebe and Cole, with the girls turning their backs on their sisters to be with their evil guy. Both S7 and S8 seemed like they had ran out of story ideas, so they reran them. They really should've stopped it either after S3 or S4 or after Necromancy OR (since I know you've already read it) doing it DStar's method.
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CARINA SAID: Why they made Kyle a whitelighter was so disgusting.
ESMERALDA SAID: AMEN!!! CARINA SAID: rolls eyes, exactly. ESMERALDA SAID: Hehehehe! CARINA SAID: Is that what her name was, that blonde Elder. Didn't know that. Makes me wonder what Natalie would be like if she did not die, and was still around. The females were great but the males weren't.
ESMERALDA SAID: Yes, her name was Sandra. I was glad Natalie died - she was too much of a by-the-book and drove me nuts. I don't think she'd be like Sandra. But you can sure tell that a male chauvinist pig named Kern was now in charge - the show was *SO* much more male-centric than the first three seasons.
CARINA SAID: This was bad. I hate that episode in general, because they forget Astral Monkey when non witches get powers what it does to them or am I wrong. ESMERALDA SAID: Oh, Kern forgot SO much of what happened in the earlier seasons! It's another reason why I count S4-8 as an alternate-universe spin-off. Some fans at the Cafe think that spin-off started when Piper exploded a watermelon and suddenly her powers were molecular-related rather than time-related - also turning Piper into the Power of One. I can see that. CARINA SAID: And I didn't like Leo after he became mortal, and how Piper treated him with her nagging. But most fans seem to love Piper/Leo as a couple. I got tired of the Piper/ Leo show, when I barely felt like the sisters were together much, unless they needed to say a Power of Three spell. I wished Leo didn't get so much screentime, where I felt like he was second lead with Phoebe and Paige below him, that is what I felt like with S7. ESMERALDA SAID: I've always wondered if they added something like that to Brian Krause's contract in order to get him to stay - promise that he'd have a bigger role. Yet another reason to think it's an alternate-universe. ----------------- CARINA SAID: Could this have been because Rose and Alyssa got bored with the show. They didn't do a good balance.
ESMERALDA SAID: I KNOW that Rose was bored; I'm not sure about Alyssa, especially since she and Holly were producers and able to turn Piper and Phoebe into idealized versions of themselves - nothing like the ones who were based on Connie Burge and her sisters!
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CARINA SAID: I don't like when Leo and Cole and Chris take over. Watching S1 and part of S2, none of the co-stars are taking attention off our stars thus yet, we'll see when I notice this changing.
ESMERALDA SAID: All part of Kern making it male-centric rather than female-centric. I hated it with a pure passion! I *thought* it started in S3, but now I wonder how much Leo and Dan took our attention off our stars in S2. I'll also be keeping an eye out to see when that starts.
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ESMERALDA SAID: I know that was the case for S8 (which is why they had them glamoured as others. Originally the Charmed Ones and Leo were only going to be played by Holly, Alyssa, Rose and Brian when they were by themselves at the Manor so the stars could have some time off. But when the producers previewed it for some fans, the fans didn't like it, so the stars had to continue to put a lot of time in.), but I think only Rose has said she was bored in the latter seasons. I really think she thought it would only last one season (S4) and then she could go back to being in movies. I don't remember anything about Alyssa being bored. Which doesn't mean she wasn't; just that I haven't read anything about that, the way I have about Rose. I SO wish someone else had played Paige!
CARINA SAID: How is this even possible using Prue's power. How can it be taught.
ESMERALDA SAID: I do not know! It would be like Leo teaching Piper how to have premonitions or Phoebe how to orb or Paige how to freeze! GRRRRRRRRRRR @kern!
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CARINA SAID: It could have been great if they died saving the world, if that was the finale. Because, I don't get why they still stayed at the manor faking their deaths. That made zero sense to me. No dummy can believe they are three cousins.
ESMERALDA SAID: Hehehe! I agree totally! Of course part of it was The WB dying and having to cut out expenses by using the Manor a lot and using older sets as something different. All part of why they should've let them die in 'Something Wicca This Way Goes'. I remember there used to be a site called thecharmedones.com that used to have spoilers for Charmed and for SWTWG, they did it as "Something Wicca This Way Goes?" with a question mark. And according to that one (which was out before Charmed was renewed for S8), the last line was Phoebe saying, "This is it!!" and KaBOOM! Black screen. As far as I'm concerned, that's how Charmed ends!
CARINA SAID: Lots of good stuff in S7, like you mentioned. I'm surprised, Phoebe didn't end up with Drake in the end. Oh, well. What if he was the birth father of her child, but still died. ESMERALDA SAID: The same way I *really* wish Paige had met Henry in S7 instead of Brody, I *really* wish that either Phoebe ended with Drake or she was pregnant with his child when he died so she didn't have to go hunting for a baby-daddy. Yet another reason why I think 'Forever Crap' is Piper's delusion as she dies after the explosion in 'Kill Billie, Vol. 2' - she saw Phoebe and Coop being one heart (BARF!)m and having three daughters. I think as soon as she had her daughter she'd drop Coop like a hot potato! CARINA SAID: She could have made a good co-star than Billie in S8. I know the comics did bring her back and used her. ESMERALDA SAID: That was for Season 10, and although she was my favorite character in that farce, I still didn't like how they used her. CARINA SAID:I didn't mind Charmed Noir, it is Rose's favorite episode. ESMERALDA SAID: I can see why. One of the S9 comics did something similar, but SO much better! I SO wish that Paul Ruditis was in charge of the last seasons of Charmed rather than Kern! CARINA SAID: I forgot about Leslie too. Didn't like him. It is bad,but not as bad as S6.
ESMERALDA SAID: AMEN!
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 7, 2019 23:35:56 GMT -5
CARINA SAID: I had to reply to this one though, even though I'll save replying to old conversations later, when I finish reviews and other stories. ESMERALDA SAID: Oh, I'm SO glad you decided to do so - because I really wanted to know what you thought of this!! CARINA SAID: Want to look over this. ESMERALDA SAID: ESMERALDA SAID: I’ve tried watching Charmed her way and it’s amazing how very good it is! I still don’t like S4 but doing it this way makes even that seems better. Since you’re doing your own re-watch, why not give this version a try? CARINA SAID: I think, I will give this one a try, and see how I feel. Thank you for mentioning it. ESMERALDA SAID: YAY! You'll have to let me know what you think! ------------------ CARINA SAID: Is this what you may be doing over at Charmed Cafe, and would you yourself consider doing this again when you finish S4 in your re-watch over at the Cafe, or are you guys watching the whole series? ESMERALDA SAID: I really don't know - we'll find out when we get that far. I'll definitely suggest this, but the others might want to watch S5 and all of S7 (none of them seem interested in much of S6), so we'll see.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2019 0:36:09 GMT -5
Three cousins who live in the same house, and two of them had the same jobs.
The Budget Nuke really screwed this idea up.
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Post by Carina on Oct 8, 2019 2:05:29 GMT -5
CARINA: Here we are, the last season to comment on. But something, I wanted to address when reading your comments. ---------------------------------- CARINA: I like your Dream Charmed version better. Question Es, was this arc planned in S5, because they introduced them and they went after Cole, It was odd, like if Julian stayed that would be the arc for S5, but it got moved to S7 with Leo. I don't know why, it just felt that way, to me looking back now. ESMERALDA SAID: (First, I really don't like it when people who aren't my friends call me Es - that's just for my friends. So I really don't like it when Tim does that since I do not count him as my friend at all - there are a lot of reasons why he's been banned from the Charmed Cafe for life, too many to get into here, and I'd rather discuss Charmed than him. Of course since he knows I don't like it, he'll keep doing it - that is one of the many reasons why I do not count him as one of my friends. But, since I DO count you as my friend, I like it when you do, so go right ahead. In fact, if you want me to type "ES SAID:" rather than "ESMERALDA SAID", I will. Up to you.) CARINA SAID: Thanks for mentioning that to me, I'm sorry for calling you Es and not Esmeralda, without asking permission. Seeing Tim do it, made me think it was the norm here, so I'm sorry. I wasn't aware of all that with Tim, so I'll just stay out of it, and keep replying about Charmed here. But since you count me as a friend, as I do, and since you gave me permission, I'll continue to do so now, and typing Es than Esmeralda is fine. SEASON EIGHT: What a Horrible Way to End What Could've Been Cuch a Great Show!After watching S8, I truly wish that it had ended with S7 with the Charmed Ones and the Manor being blown to Kingdom Come, something like what happened in Kill Billie, Vol 2, but with no survivors. Season 8 very simply sucked! CARINA SAID: I do too, at least had they did, we'd be spared the flashforwards. And I do like that at least 'Something Wicca This Way Goes' focuses on the sisters and not just Piper like in Forever Charmed. But it has been such a long time since I've seen S7, so doing the re-watch that way jumping from S4 to S7, I'm excited to see if I'll enjoy SWTWG this time. CARINA SAID: Yes, I don't think I cared for any of them really. Nothing I can remember well. CARINA SAID: I was really sad he wasn't in it. And I miss him and Sheila being friends of the sisters. CARINA SAID: I did like him, but I didn't like how forced and rushed they were. But, I also was upset that just as Paige was going to go back to her old job as a social worker, Sam shows up right away, and they dropped that return, as if her calling as a whitelighter will always be more important. I can't remember what episode it was, but I remember that part well, that it made me smile thinking she'd go back and then turn angry and sad when she didn't. CARINA SAID: He was a waste of time and not needed. I can't remember them well in the comics, but I did like them in the one-shot issue Cupid's Arrows or whatever that story based on them was called. CARINA SAID: I'm with you. Fans have little time to believe it, and it just feels forced trying to tie up loose ends, so all the sisters can find their true loves before the show ends. Had it ended at 7, both Paige and Phoebe never get married and find their true loves. CARINA SAID: And I just said something similar in my reply above. Did all three really need to be married before the end of the series, what is wrong with one sister not being married in the end. I guess Kern felt like, women are not fulfilled unless they are married and pop out babies, since they gave all the sisters so many kids at the end. I'm glad that at least none of them also ended up with another witch. Paige was the only one who was in a relationship with one in S6, thank god, otherwise, you can be sure they'd steal so much screen-time being a witch, and having powers of their own to help the Charmed Ones. CARINA SAID: Now, I'm reminded how much worse she was in S8, . I've only seen S8 once in full, and caught reruns of a couple of episodes since. CARINA SAID: Yes, why. Still surprised Holly or Brian didn't say something about the writing and the other stars like Rose or Alyssa too. I can't believe they put up with the writing on Charmed, unless as you said they were producers, so some of the ideas for Piper, and Phoebe for Alyssa, came from them. Then, I'm not happy with how they see their characters at all in Season 5 through 8. I read an article Es, that Kern used to call them all bitches behind their backs in the writers room, so I guess, maybe they were just scared of getting reports about them being divas on set, so they kept quiet, and did as they were told. CARINA SAID: Yes, it is all about her. I can only imagine, how upset she'd be, Prue, and maybe why she can't be summoned, she refused to come from the other side. CARINA SAID: Her and Christy being the Ultimate Power made no sense to me. Unless they were actually Warrens themselves and some distant cousins they never knew about, then how can they be more powerful than the Charmed Ones. I actually liked the character Christy as an evil character. I liked the Stockholm Syndrome angle and the actress did a good job. So did Kaley when she worked with her--she overacted even more than Rose did before Marinette showed up! CARINA SAID: I can't remember Christy as an evil character, I didn't like the ending where they killed her, without trying to save her more, and the awkward crying of Billie seeing her dead. I just know, I didn't like Billie, and they wrote her very annoying when she was first introduced. CARINA SAID: If Cole can kill them, then they are hardly a threat. Made no sense to me. Kernus Demon of Discontinuity and vanquishing him, that made me laugh, I'd so have liked to have seen that. CARINA SAID: As much as that ending of that episode was trying to make us be shocked, it just made me laugh, and roll my eyes. I knew the other sisters would come back, and why on earth was Piper the only survivor, since Paige should've pain-orbed like you said. I know why, because they needed Piper to be the star of the last one, yes, I heard Rose and Alyssa had other things going on, but they should of just shoot things out of order, to make it work. Yeah, were was Henry, once he and Paige got married, he disappeared and was barely shown. CARINA SAID: nods* very true. Don't get me started on the flashforwards. CARINA SAID: Yep, which Will and Grace did with their return, they ignored their ending. But, I don't have high hopes, and rather the show stay ended and not return. I don't want to find out how much worse it could be. With how bad Brad Kern turned out to be, and most of the original writers moved on, then it would be left to Holly and Alyssa to produce the series, with new writers. Unless Paul Ruditis was hired. But, I don't think we'll ever have one. If we did, we would have gotten one by now, and not gotten that reboot. So I don't see it happening. [/quote][/quote]CARINA SAID: Yes, thank god for fanfics.
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 8, 2019 8:26:35 GMT -5
CARINA: Here we are, the last season to comment on. But something, I wanted to address when reading your comments. ES: ---------------------------------- CARINA: I like your Dream Charmed version better. Question Es, was this arc planned in S5, because they introduced them and they went after Cole, It was odd, like if Julian stayed that would be the arc for S5, but it got moved to S7 with Leo. I don't know why, it just felt that way, to me looking back now. ESMERALDA SAID: (First, I really don't like it when people who aren't my friends call me Es - that's just for my friends. So I really don't like it when Tim does that since I do not count him as my friend at all - there are a lot of reasons why he's been banned from the Charmed Cafe for life, too many to get into here, and I'd rather discuss Charmed than him. Of course since he knows I don't like it, he'll keep doing it - that is one of the many reasons why I do not count him as one of my friends. But, since I DO count you as my friend, I like it when you do, so go right ahead. In fact, if you want me to type "ES SAID:" rather than "ESMERALDA SAID", I will. Up to you.) CARINA SAID: Thanks for mentioning that to me, I'm sorry for calling you Es and not Esmeralda, without asking permission. Seeing Tim do it, made me think it was the norm here, so I'm sorry. I wasn't aware of all that with Tim, so I'll just stay out of it, and keep replying about Charmed here. But since you count me as a friend, as I do, and since you gave me permission, I'll continue to do so now, and typing Es than Esmeralda is fine. ES SAID: Sounds very good. I assumed that you'd done it because he had - I only read one of his posts in this thread (and changed his Es back to Esmeralda) in order to correct him, which, of course, he ignored. But like I said, since I do count you as a friend, it's perfectly okay for you to do so. And absolutely no need for you to apologize since you didn't know. Tim's the one who should apologize, something he'll never do. He's just like Trump, thinking he's always right even when he's not, yet another reason why I'd never want him as a friend and don't appreciate him calling me Es when I've only called myself Esmeralda in this site. But let's put that whole bit behind us and stick to chatting about Charmed. SEASON EIGHT: What a Horrible Way to End What Could've Been Cuch a Great Show!After watching S8, I truly wish that it had ended with S7 with the Charmed Ones and the Manor being blown to Kingdom Come, something like what happened in Kill Billie, Vol 2, but with no survivors. Season 8 very simply sucked! CARINA SAID: I do too, at least had they did, we'd be spared the flashforwards. And I do like that at least 'Something Wicca This Way Goes' focuses on the sisters and not just Piper like in Forever Charmed. But it has been such a long time since I've seen S7, so doing the re-watch that way jumping from S4 to S7, I'm excited to see if I'll enjoy SWTWG this time. ES SAID: I am, too. Me, when I do a re-watch Dstar's way, I stop after the explosion because with everything they do to prepare for their "deaths" without S8 it looks even more like they're leaving their magical sons/nephews behind with Victor and don't plan on coming back. CARINA SAID: Yes, I don't think I cared for any of them really. Nothing I can remember well. ES SAID: I'd think if you did like any of them, you'd remember. CARINA SAID: I was really sad he wasn't in it. And I miss him and Sheila being friends of the sisters. ES SAID: Me, too. But since I also hated the way they treated him, I didn't mind that as much as I minded skipping Leo. CARINA SAID: I did like him, but I didn't like how forced and rushed they were. But, I also was upset that just as Paige was going to go back to her old job as a social worker, Sam shows up right away, and they dropped that return, as if her calling as a whitelighter will always be more important. I can't remember what episode it was, but I remember that part well, that it made me smile thinking she'd go back and then turn angry and sad when she didn't. ES SAID: YOU AND ME BOTH! And why couldn't she be both a social worker and a whitelighter? Leo was both a handyman and a whitelighter... CARINA SAID: He was a waste of time and not needed. I can't remember them well in the comics, but I did like them in the one-shot issue Cupid's Arrows or whatever that story based on them was called. ES SAID: Well, for me, they were my favorite couple of the comics. One of the few things I didn't like what Paul Ruditis did was how he did Paige and Henry - but I hated that in S10 more. CARINA SAID: I'm with you. Fans have little time to believe it, and it just feels forced trying to tie up loose ends, so all the sisters can find their true loves before the show ends. Had it ended at 7, both Paige and Phoebe never get married and find their true loves. ES SAID: AMEN!! And that would've been SO much better. CARINA SAID: And I just said something similar in my reply above. Did all three really need to be married before the end of the series, what is wrong with one sister not being married in the end. I guess Kern felt like, women are not fulfilled unless they are married and pop out babies, since they gave all the sisters so many kids at the end. ES SAID: That's what it made me feel - a woman is useless without a man. As a single woman who has never been married or had a child myself, I was really insulted by that. ---------------- CARINA SAID: I'm glad that at least none of them also ended up with another witch. Paige was the only one who was in a relationship with one in S6, thank god, otherwise, you can be sure they'd steal so much screen-time being a witch, and having powers of their own to help the Charmed Ones. ES SAID: AMEN! Although sometimes I wish Paige had, since with her marrying a non-magical (I don't call them mortals since the sisters are mortals, too, as Grams, Patty and Prue all proved when they died), fans think that her children can't be as powerful as Piper's children since they're only 1/4 whitelighter. How stupid is that? Have they forgotten that Piper was the first one to have a baby with her whitelighter, so that means none of the Warrens had one with THEIR whitelighter, so if these fans were right, that means that the Charmed Ones - the most powerful witches ever - are only 1/64th (or less) witch. Totally stupid! CARINA SAID: Now, I'm reminded how much worse she was in S8, . I've only seen S8 once in full, and caught reruns of a couple of episodes since. ES SAID: Yup, I've only seen it that once, too, but I remember it so well that it gets me angry to this day! CARINA SAID: Yes, why. Still surprised Holly or Brian didn't say something about the writing and the other stars like Rose or Alyssa too. I can't believe they put up with the writing on Charmed, unless as you said they were producers, so some of the ideas for Piper, and Phoebe for Alyssa, came from them. Then, I'm not happy with how they see their characters at all in Season 5 through 8. ES SAID: Because they truly thought that it was shown that Piper and Leo were in love, due to what happened in 'Vayo con Leos'. ------------- CARINA SAID: I read an article Es, that Kern used to call them all bitches behind their backs in the writers room, so I guess, maybe they were just scared of getting reports about them being divas on set, so they kept quiet, and did as they were told. ES SAID: I'm sure after Shannen was fired for not liking how the show was done (I've never believed it had anything with the so-called "feud" which I always counted as just spin), they decided to just keep quiet. CARINA SAID: Yes, it is all about her. I can only imagine, how upset she'd be, Prue, and maybe why she can't be summoned, she refused to come from the other side. ES SAID: Hehehehe. I never thought about that before, but you're absolutely right! That could VERY well be the true reason why Prue doesn't show up! CARINA SAID: Her and Christy being the Ultimate Power made no sense to me. Unless they were actually Warrens themselves and some distant cousins they never knew about, then how can they be more powerful than the Charmed Ones. ES SAID: I've seen some fanfics who use that as the reason - but the Charmed Ones still should've been more powerful since they were three not two. Of course since Paige wasn't a full sister, that's probably why. (and that's sarcasm). I actually liked the character Christy as an evil character. I liked the Stockholm Syndrome angle and the actress did a good job. So did Kaley when she worked with her--she overacted even more than Rose did before Marinette showed up! CARINA SAID: I can't remember Christy as an evil character, I didn't like the ending where they killed her, without trying to save her more, and the awkward crying of Billie seeing her dead. ES SAID: That was one of the worst scenes ever! They SO should've hired a dramatic actress to play Billie rather than a comedic one! She's SO good in comedies, but not in dramedies like Charmed. -------------- CARINA SAID: I just know, I didn't like Billie, and they wrote her very annoying when she was first introduced. ES SAID: Definitely! CARINA SAID: If Cole can kill them, then they are hardly a threat. Made no sense to me. ES SAID: Exactly! ------------- CARINA SAID: Kernus Demon of Discontinuity and vanquishing him, that made me laugh, I'd so have liked to have seen that. ES SAID: Which is exactly why we did just that in 'Our Screwed-Up Destiny' - again bringing it back to the true topic of this thread. CARINA SAID: As much as that ending of that episode was trying to make us be shocked, it just made me laugh, and roll my eyes. I knew the other sisters would come back, and why on earth was Piper the only survivor, since Paige should've pain-orbed like you said. I know why, because they needed Piper to be the star of the last one, yes, I heard Rose and Alyssa had other things going on, but they should of just shoot things out of order, to make it work. ES SAID: It didn't make me laugh; it just made me MAD! --------------- CARINA SAID: Yeah, where was Henry, once he and Paige got married, he disappeared and was barely shown. ES SAID: Of course. Once they got her married, no need to show him. *roll eyes* CARINA SAID: nods* very true. Don't get me started on the flashforwards. ES SAID: AMEN!! CARINA SAID: Yep, which Will and Grace did with their return, they ignored their ending. ES SAID: Well, if they made all of S4-8 Piper's delusion because she's in a coma after 'All Hell Breaks Loose' and we see what REALLY happened - that would be just fine with me! ------------- CARINA SAID: But, I don't have high hopes, and rather the show stay ended and not return. I don't want to find out how much worse it could be. With how bad Brad Kern turned out to be, and most of the original writers moved on, then it would be left to Holly and Alyssa to produce the series, with new writers. Unless Paul Ruditis was hired. But, I don't think we'll ever have one. If we did, we would have gotten one by now, and not gotten that reboot. So I don't see it happening. ES SAID: Well, now that we have the ripoff, there's absolutely no chance of that happening, especially now that that one has gotten a second season - although now that it's on a Friday I hope it gets Friday's Kiss of Death and doesn't get a third season. I'd always wish that Connie Burge had come back and been their executive producer and showrunner with the original writers coming back along with Paul Ruditis. That's what we did at the Cafe with our very own spin-off called "Elemental Charmed" which is about a 70-year-old matriarch named Prudence who has the power of Spirit, her 50-year old daughter named Patience who has the power of Earth and her 40-year-old daughter name Paige who has the power of Air, and Patience's 30-year-old daughter Piper who has the power of Water, and her 20-year-old daughter Phoebe who has the power of Fire. We had all sorts of fun with that! CARINA SAID: Yes, thank God for fanfics. ES SAID: Amen! I've gotta get to work but when I get home, I'll post the first chapter of the fanfics posted here that I think you'll enjoy and you can decide if you want to read any of them or go back to reply to my replies. Just remember that I won't be upset if you decide you don't want to read any of them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2019 17:28:48 GMT -5
No, they didn't all need to be married. However, the problem was that the men in overall charge, Aaron Spelling and E. Duke Vincent were two pre-World War II dinosaurs who's values were time locked into the 1950's. Me Tarzan, you Jane, now get into the kitchen and rattle those pots and pans.
And, of course, Kernus was their willing supplicant. Of course, what we now know about him and his own attitude to women, I'm not surprised.
As did Rosanne (now The Conners)
Truer words were never spoken
Oh, and if Esmeralda would prefer me to call her that, that's fine with me.
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Post by Carina on Oct 8, 2019 21:01:26 GMT -5
TIM SAID: No, they didn't all need to be married. However, the problem was that the men in overall charge, Aaron Spelling and E. Duke Vincent were two pre-World War II dinosaurs who's values were time locked into the 1950's. Me Tarzan, you Jane, now get into the kitchen and rattle those pots and pans.
And, of course, Kernus was their willing supplicant. Of course, what we now know about him and his own attitude to women, I'm not surprised.
CARINA SAID: That does make sense, and I've noticed Kern does those cliche lines, like Phoebe saying she isn't even married and already a housewife in 'Power of Two'. Personally for me, they could have made it better for viewers to identify with one sister, by letting each sister be in a different stage of life. One sister like Piper married to Leo with children, Paige and Henry are just a married couple, and leave Phoebe single. That way, at least, the younger viewers could watch and not feel like the show is telling them they need to be married with children to be fulfilled in life. That really insulted people, especially those who do not want children, or those who want neither.
TIM SAID: As did Rosanne (now The Conners)
CARINA SAID: That too.
TIM SAID: Truer words were never spoken CARINA SAID: TIM SAID: Oh, and if Esmeralda would prefer me to call her that, that's fine with me. CARINA SAID:
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