ES: I overslept so I'm sure I won't be able to get all the way through this, but I'll get as far as I can.
NEXT MORNING: Time to try to get this whole thing read and replied to! Thanks to all three of you, Carina, PVille and Deidre!! So happy that you're enjoying EC this much!
Pheebs Carina phoebeville PVILLE SAID: Since I'm a bit behind Carina reading EC, of course, that's because I started it after her. I'm going to do my replies by adding mine to older ones, than starting my own. Which I did do before. I'm going to add my comments to the bottom of older ones, so we can keep comments all together, as we've done before in other threads.
DEIDRE SAID: And I'm further behind. So I'll just keep going at my own pace.
I had problems logging into the site tonight, I tried and tried, but finally got in. Looks like most here had the same problems. I had problems over the weekend too. Why is ProBoards having so many issues lately, looks like it is happening more often?
Going to continue reading more, as I warned being busy, but tonight, I can come on, so I'll go back at it.
Please keep your fingers crossed, I don't lose anything.
ES SAID: Sounds like EVERYONE lost some! PVille, I hope you get a chance to return your reactions to this one!
CARINA SAID: Back again for even more. That's two rounds of reading and replying in a day.
ES SAID: WOW! SO very glad you like it that much!!!! Unfortunately I have to get to work soon, but I'll try to respond to all of your responses. If I don't have time, I'll finish tonight.
CARINA SAID: First off love the title. Reminds me of Sense and Sense Ability. But, I see you added Taste and Smell.
ES SAID: Yup, this is one of two episodes that are definitely nods to Classic Charmed and that's the one this one is based on. But since we have 5 Warrens, we had to use all five sense!
DEIDRE SAID: This title is so cool. I also so love that it is a Halloween and Birthday episode. I wished Charmed did that more often. I love Halloween, it should be something they did more than twice on the show, at least every couple of seasons.
ES: Especially because they're witches, I agree that we should have more than one Halloween episode. You better believe we did that for EC!
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CARINA SAID: Those poor sisters, but I can only imagine Victor's death, and moving to Salem, they did truly forget.
I'm glad she is making up for it. And doing a joint party on Halloween.
ES SAID:
DEIDRE SAID: It is very hard, but in life when things get so tough or so busy, where only human to truly forget, doesn't mean it was on purpose. I know when my cousin's mother was ill, she forgot my birthday, but I was fine, she sent me a message a day late, and I don't care, at least she still remembered in the end. But some people take it like an insult, expecting you to message them on the day, I had a friend like that, who couldn't stop taking it out on me for forgetting.
ES SAID: This is all our part of trying to keep our stars human and not Mary Sues who never mess up.
CARINA SAID: I like that we learn about the first Warren in Mary Ann Warren here.
ESMERALDA SAID: We wanted to be sure she was mentioned right away. I'll admit I didn't like her name being Mary Ann - I wanted her to be another P, like I wanted Melinda Warren to have a P name, but Mary Ann is what Pheebs came up with, so we stuck with it. As you probably guessed, she's our Melinda Warren.
DEIDRE SAID: Mary Ann Warren, our very own Melinda. I love that Prudence tells Piper this, while Piper is looking for party favors.
ES SAID:
CARINA SAID: NOOO PHOEBE! But, I remember this from the preview article. But still, too late.
ES SAID: Yup, the fun of the Deadline articles teasing the episode.
DEIDRE SAID: And, I expected this, but love that it is an ancient curse.
ES SAID:
CARINA SAID: This is fantastic, I love that it all affects their real lives.
Prudence, OMG, she can't scream for help, I'll hope she will be okay. I know she will, but very good drama.
ES SAID:
The fun of doing press releases - we can get them in trouble and don't have to figure out how they get out of it unless we want to!
DEIDRE SAID: I love this one so much, because it connects to their lives. Very cool.
ES SAID:
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DEIDRE SAID: Poor Prudence, I'd expect that that attack on her would be the end of an act break. You can bet, I'd be freaking out for her all through the ads.
ES SAID: Oh, yes, probably at the halfway point, as they'd start fixing it in the second part. And, oh, yes, I'd be freaking out, too!
CARINA SAID: They sure will.
ES SAID: Something we REALLY wish Classic Charmed had done! The fun of us having the older generations alive!
DEIDRE SAID: Yes, teach them well.
ES SAID:
We were happy to make our series one where the older generation is respected and not laughed at like so many series do.
CARINA SAID: I love that it allows Patience to do her job, and it connects her to Phoebe's campus and that Prudence and Paige have to sort out the crash course on using gifts.
ES SAID:
DEIDRE SAID: I like the sound of this. Looks like a cool plot on our hands.
ES SAID:
Glad you think so!
CARINA SAID: NO Piper, please don't, and I'm glad that they are not too perfect, that even Paige can accidentally make a mistake. I love that she learns a lesson in the end.
ES SAID: Nope, they're definitely not perfect. That would get too boring like The Charmed Sons would've.
DEIDRE SAID: And they are only human, and not perfect. I love this, I hate when they are too perfect.
ES SAID:
Me, too.
CARINA SAID: Only natural for Connie to feel that way, and glad she got the pick-up. Of course, I knew it, but love reading these behind the scenes stuff.
ES SAID: SO glad you do! I wasn't sure if I should just give you the episodes or also give you the Deadline articles - SO glad I decided to give you both!
DEIDRE SAID: Connie is very nervous, and she has a right to be. I love that she can now have a sense of relief.
ES SAID: And, of course, it does get the full order - we wouldn't have it any other way! - but we had fun keeping it realistic, especially because it's based on one of the rip-off press releases.
CARINA SAID: Me too.
ES SAID:
DEIDRE SAID: TBC3, you made me smile.
ES SAID:
Curiosity - all three of you - when reading this, who are you imagining playing the Warrens?CARINA SAID: Very proud that Connie would have done that, and again, this makes it feel all too real, like I keep saying living in this alternate universe, where we get a much better reboot.
ES SAID:
DEIDRE SAID: Go, Connie.
ES SAID:
CARINA SAID: And I'll hope they do appear in this. At least some of them, not all. And that's true, I'd hate them to overshadow our new stars.
ES SAID: And as I spoiled earlier, yes, but only two - Shannen and Alyssa. We loved the idea of proving to everyone that they're NOT still feuding!
DEIDRE SAID: I'm glad they are not feuding here. But I think they made up now. Can't wait to see what they do.
ES SAID: Yup, they have. Now Shannen and Holly are having problems. It just never ends!
And there goes my alarm - I have to leave. But it works nicely since I just finished an episode.
AND NOW I CAN FINISH!
CARINA SAID: Love the title. And this story is very fun, I like it, and we get to learn about Paige and Patience growing up.
ES SAID:
We tried hard to introduce all of the Warrens before we got into story arcs.
DEIDRE SAID: I love the title again, so cool.
ES SAID:
CARINA SAID: The EC team is killing it with very fun plots, and I'm loving the drama, with a fake Patience running loose, and them needing to find the real one.
From the stuff I read about the real reboot, these sound so much more fun and creative, than theirs, form the little I read.
ES SAID: Again so VERY happy that you think so, since that's what I've heard, too. Theirs is all about getting new powers and all about their male lovers while getting rid of the female lovers - and this is about woman power??. Not ours. It's truly about that. And because we gave CBS-TV our own president, they're letting it be shown!
DEIDRE SAID: Yeah, they had so many powers. I haven't seen S2, but have seen S1 here and there. I might watch it one time, but for now, It isn't must-see television for me. But, I like that this series is more woman power than theirs.
ES SAID: Well, I've heard that they got rid of a lot of things fans didn't like about it and are actually doing better. Still doesn't interest me in the least - just not my thing - but if it might be yours, give it a try and let us know what you think!
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DEIDRE SAID: But from what I hear, the reboot is actually going well, and it appears to be be getting better, and from what someone told me, the ratings are rising a little each week, not massive figures, but it hasn't gone any worse.
ES SAID: Msybe it's finally found its footing. Took Classic Charmed a half-season; maybe it took the rip-off a full season - and whole new showrunners like I wish Classic Charmed had gotten, starting with Season Three...
CARINA SAID: A Christmas episode. I feel so blessed, I have holiday episodes. This will be fun to read.
I wished the original did at least one, oh well.
ES SAID: You and me both! I've heard that 'A Paige From the Past' was supposed to be a Christmas-themed episode, but after 9/11 they decided to change it, but I'm not sure if that's true. The rip-off DID have a Christmas episode, so that's what this is based on, but using our ideas instead.
DEIDRE SAID: And I wished they did do that on Charmed. Hated the reboot Christmas episode. But this one sounds more fun already.
ES SAID: Yeah, I haven't heard a lot of good things about the rip-off's Christmas episode. I think ours would've been a WHOLE lot better, mainly because it concentrates on the Warrens, not all of the other characters.
CARINA SAID: Keeping the teases going for Paige, I can't wait to see what it is.
ES SAID: Hehehehe! Pheebs did SUCH a great job with the teases!
PVILLE SAID: She sure does, it just brings on some excitement.
DEIDRE SAID: I remember reading these, before I joined.
ES SAID:
CARINA SAID: Yet, another wonderful title. You guys rock at these.
ES SAID: Hehehehehe, Team Charmed Café had SUCH fun with those!
PVILLE SAID: I love the title so very much. Team Charmed Cafe had so much fun with them, and I love myself a good title, because that is what I read first, as a good catchy title always makes me go into the story excited.
DEIDRE SAID: I was so in love with this title. It's so cool.
ES SAID:
I think we had just as much fun brainstorming the titles as we did the plotlines!
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CARINA SAID: I love this plot, very fun, and letting Piper's workplace play a big role in it. This Team Charmed Cafe sure knows how to do things more creative than the real one.
ES SO glad that you think so!! We wanted this first season to concentrate on getting to know the Warrens before we got into story arcs.
PVILLE SAID: I'm very pleased you did. Because, I'm impressed by how well you are doing it so far.
ES SAID:
Thank you!
DEIDRE SAID: The side plots are also so interesting.
ES SAID:
CARINA SAID: I love this, so much drama. And love that Prudence coaches Phoebe on her very first spell.
ES SAID:
PVILLE SAID: So glad to see Phoebe is learning and has Prudence coaching her. This is how you let your characters grow.
ES SAID:
DEIDRE SAID: Gotta have them teaching them, and they'll be such good guides. A whitelighter can only help so far, they are not witches, and apart from healing, and checking with the Elders. They have little skills to help make potions or write spells.
ES SAID: We thought so, too. It's why we left them out and let the older Warrens take their place. Wish the rip-off had let their whitelighter be someone who's alive and could be a guide without being dead - what I think was Classic Charmed's WORST mistake - letting it go beyond Season One. Just do that and you fix just about everything I don't like about Classic Charmed - well, turn Cole into a warlock who's truly the same age as the sisters or make him truly a mercenary demon who's all evil and then you've got it!
CARINA SAID: Harvest Day in Salem, now you are having fun bringing something I will assume was real in Salem as an event.
ES SAID: It most definitely is. It was important to us to show that Salem was more than just the town where the witch trials were held.
PVILLE SAID: I'm very happy that you decided to make Salem more than just the witch trials. That is what will let Salem be its own character, and not go down the cliche ways. So proud of you guys. I might just learn more about Salem reading this.
ES SAID:
DEIDRE SAID: I love it.
ES SAID:
CARINA SAID: I love them growing and being able to do things now, with all the skills their family helped them with.
ES: SAID: And this is seven episodes into the series! If it only lasted 11 episodes, that's more than half way! Of course we KNEW it would be given a full season, but I still think they'd want to introduce the family and let us get to know them first - SO very different than the rip-off!
PVILLE SAID: Very much enjoyed this episode, and this is miles better than Fake Charmed, and I'm very happy with the way things are progressing.
ES SAID:
DEIDRE SAID: I'm sure with rip-off and fake-charmed, you mean the reboot.
ES SAID: Yes, I do. I refuse to give it any name that includes the word Charmed since I truly believe that if it was called anything else it wouldn't still be on the air and I HATE that! I particularly hate them calling it JUST Charmed, but not having them be Halliwells, like what's happened with most reboots. That's why we decided to call ours Elemental Charmed rather than just Charmed.
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DEIDRE SAID: I have seen it, but, I haven't kept up with much of Season Two, because I'm busy on Friday Nights
now, and I didn't like Season One, the only one I liked was the one Touched By a Demon where Macy is trying to cope with by watching her favorite show, and is trapped in the show. Some day I might watch, but it isn't must see-tv for me. Not as good as the original, and this virtual reboot really sounds more fun.
ES SAID: YAY! Glad you think so!
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DEIDRE SAID: One of my friends loves the reboot/rip-off/fake-Charmed, she is a few years younger than me, but never got to see much of the original, she has seen it, I think, can't remember if all of it. But loves it because of LGBT representation. I hope, I'll be able to get her to see the original series. But, she watches so many shows that air on television currently, so maybe some day. But, she does watch lots and lots of shows, more than me.
ES SAID: And that's perfectly AOK with me - if people enjoy it, they should watch it and enjoy it - but like they keep telling us - quit comparing it with Classic Charmed, constantly trying to say how much better this is - that will NOT get Classic Charmed fans who aren't watching to want to watch it - it just makes us roll ours eyes thinking those fans are trying too hard and probably don't really like it, but just are saying it is because it's "Charmed" (which it isn't...)
Me, I haven't wasted a single second on it, but then I haven't done that with ANY The CW shows, with the single exception of the one time Brenda (Shannen) appeared on the first BH90210 reboot, the one just called 90210.. I hated what they did with her character and didn't like any of the other characters so I never watched any other episode.
But then I'm quite a bit older than their target audience (I was in my 40s/50s when I watched Classic Charmed - I felt more like Patty looking down at my daughters than one of the sisters), so I'm not surprised.
CARINA SAID: Love these Warrens, and their daily lives, and a Salem Harvest Feast.
ES SAID:
PVILLE SAID: I love this, and we learn that Patience and Paige have been dealing with Prudence wanting them involved in the harvest festivals for years. I can bet, when they leave the house and get away to work, does Phoebe and Piper try and sneak out of the room and then Prudence convinces them to do it, and prove their mother and aunt wrong that this is a fun thing to do.
ES SAID: Hehehehe! That sounds like fun - wouldn't surprise me if that's what happened!
DEIDRE SAID: Lots going on in this one, and I love the Harvest Fest.
ES SAID: Best of all, it's real - it really does happen in Salem.
CARINA SAID: Love this, Paige dealing with her own job, and it connects to their innocent of the week.
ES SAID:
PVILLE SAID: An innocent.
DEIDRE SAID:I do like that Paige has an innocent to save.
ES SAID: We tried to keep them important throughout the entire series, unlike the alternate-universe spin-off (what most fans think of as S4-8). I don't hear a lot about innocents in the rip-off; have no idea how important they are to that.
CARINA SAID: And, I love that they saved this poor teen and make sure the soul collector doesn't get her soul.
ES SAID:
PVILLE SAID: Very happy with how it played out.
DEIDRE SAID: I'm sure that moment will be both sad (for the parents) and good to see the family helping someone.
CARINA SAID: And I agree, I love it so much no putting issues under the rug and making it too perfect.
ES SAID: Trying to keep it as realistic as we could!
PVILLE SAID:Me too.
DEIDRE SAID:The more realistic, the better, I say. But I love, that Connie is working hard to make a good product.
ES SAID:
And I'm sure she would've, given the chance.
CARINA SAID: I'm sure it will, what could it be that backfires?
ES SAID: Hehehehe - didn't Pheebs just ROCK the teases?
PVILLE SAID: She sure did.
ES SAID:
CARINA SAID: Great tease, now I can't wait to see what spell was backfired.
ES SAID: Hehehehe! Don't you wish we could truly watch those clips?
PVILLE SAID: I so do.
ES SAID:
Me, too.
CARINA SAID: And again, love the drama. Why should they all get along so quickly, this all makes sense.
I love it.
ES SAID: YAY!
PVILLE SAID: Love this drama.
DEIDRE SAID: Lots of drama, and I love that they are having problems, so it isn't so perfect. I hate how quickly they did S4 dirty, with how quickly Paige was introduced, just so the Phoebe/Cole story could happen.
ES SAID: Well, they felt like they had to since they didn't know if it would be renewed without Shannen. They thought if anything would save the show, it would be the Phoebe/Cole storyline. Unfortunately for me, that storyline (which will always be my LEAST-favorite storyline which, if done properly, could've been my favorite) only ruined it.
CARINA SAID: Oh no, in typical Warren style, something goes wrong. But, I like it.
ES SAID: Of course it was inspired by Canon Paige and Canon Phoebe switching bodies (should've been Canon PRUE and Canon Phoebe!), but we had fun with it.
PVILLE SAID:You sure had fun with it, because here it actually is important,with a purpose not how Charmed did it.
ES SAID: Now that's a fantastic compliment! Thanks, PVIlle!
DEIDRE SAID:I like the way this one is set up though, more than Canon Charmed.
ES SAID:
CARINA SAID: I'm sure that is a smart idea, Prudence wouldn't like it.
ES SAID: Nope! Not at all!
PVILLE SAID: Yes.
ES SAID:
CARINA SAID: I love this, what a cool way for them to know what the other is feeling and resolve their problems. And they get to save children, but oh no, a trap. Watch out!
ES SAID: I LOVE how much you're getting into this!
DEIDRE SAID: I love this one, it has a good lesson behind it.
PVILLE SAID: I really like it.
ES SAID:
CARINA SAID: I'm so glad they will do this now weekly.
ES SAID: And Sasha, who wrote this part (when there's two names, usually the first one wrote the episode and then the second one edited it before I did my edit.), will make sure they do!
PVILLE SAID: Thanks for saying that, I wasn't sure when I saw two names, but now I know.
ES SAID:
DEIDRE SAID: Good job, and so glad they are having their weekly dinners.
ES SAID:
CARINA SAID: A joint episode, well done you two.
ES SAID: Like I just said, Sasha actually wrote it, but Summer made it better!
PVILLE SAID: Very much enjoyed this episode.
DEIDRE SAID: A great episode, and I enjoyed it.
ES SAID:
So glad you both did since it's one of my favorites.
And there goes the alarm! Couldn't have timed that better if I tried!
Thanks again for the reviews!