phoebeville ESMERALDA SAID: Welcome, Phoebeville! I'm so very glad that you were finally able to get an account! Hope you enjoy yourself here as much as I do.
PHOEBEVILLE SAID: Thank you, Es.
ESMERALDA SAID: I don't usually like those who I don't consider a friend to call me Es. But I think I already count you as a friend, PVille! Do you mind that as a nickname - it's why my friends like calling me Es - doesn't take as long to type Esmeralda. Ditto for PVille as compared to Phoebeville, especially because your avatar will always make me think of Phoebeville. But if you don't like PVille as a nickname, just say so and I'll always call you Phoebeville because I like to call people what they want to be called.
PVILLE SAID: I'm so sorry for calling you Es and not Esmeralda. If you don't like it, I'll continue to call you Esmeralda, at your request.
ES SAID: Don't worry about it - I understand why when people see me called Es they think it's okay to call me that. But that's why I warn them that I prefer keeping that name for friends only.
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PVILLE SAID: I'm fine with PVille as a nickname. It might make it easier here, especially if someone else has a name with Phoebe in it, don't want to get confused.
ES SAID: YAY! I'm glad you like it! You can let people know if you prefer them calling you Phoebeville or if it's okay for anyone to call you that. Right now, there's only one member who I want to call me Esmeralda since I don't count him as a friend - we've had problems at other sites.
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ES SAID: I recognized "Phoebeville" as soon as I saw it - it's one of my favorite Phoebs scenes! Phoebs was my favorite sister on Charmed until she lied to her sisters about vanquishing Cole - that's when she became PhoeME, my least-favorite sister. But thanks for this wonderful reminder of my Phoebs who would pop up every now and then. I'll think of my Phoebs every time I see one of your posts!
PVILLE SAID: Thank you, Es.
I'm glad you noticed right away. Exactly why I picked it.
ES SAID:
I'm so glad you did!
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ES SAID: *nods* I'm sure that was the case. I'll always love each sister the most when she doesn't have a significant other - Halliwells in love are not nice people because they put the guy in front of innocents and their sisters. Thank God that Paige is a Matthews who doesn't act that way. Her relationship with Henry was the ONLY one where being in love made the sister a better person. Even Prue with Andy - not telling him right away. You can tell when a Charmed Ones loves a non-magical (I don't call them mortals since Prue proved that they are mortals, too.) - when she tells him the secret - as Paige told Henry.
PVILLE SAID: Yeah, that is a good point. They really do feel that way in love.
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ES SAID: It's all why these are my favorite relationships:
Prue with Bane (for me, Andy was just her first love - the boy next door. Had Prue not died, I love imagining Bane getting out of jail early and coming back and marrying Prue - she's the one who I think should've had the kids, not Piper, who I think was a horrible mother.)
Piper with Mark (for me, this was easily Piper at her best. I really think that as soon as she found out that Leo was magical, she should've broken up with him - I think that the whole series would've been better if Leo stayed in S1 where I think he belonged.)
Phoebe with Drake (for me, Cole should've been MUCH more like Drake and then he would've been perfect for her. I don't think Cole ever loved Phoebe and I don't think Phoebe ever loved Cole because neither could accept them for who they truly are, especially Phoebe not able to accept the fact that he'd been a mercenary demon for almost a hundred years and just beind half-human doesn't change that or Cole being an obsessed stalker in S5 who didn't understand the word NO! Had HE been the one who died saving the sisters rather than Prue, I think the series would've been a whole lot better - especially because you'd still have Prue the Leader, Piper the Heart and Phoebe the Baby. Piper was horrible as the leader, Phoebe as the Heart made no sense and Paige grew up as an Only Child - no WAY she was the Baby! That - changing the birth order - is what I'll always count as the worst mistake of Charmed.
PVILLE SAID: I liked Phoebe/Drake so much more than Phoebe/Cole, because I just felt more chemistry, and they felt so fun together. Something, I never felt for Jason, Cole or her her other horrible love interests in S3-S8.
ES SAID: *nods* Exactly so. I SO wish she'd ended up with him rather than Coop. A self-centered cupid who made PhoeME even more selfish and self-centered??? *shudder* And that whole bit about the Elders giving her the cupid because they felt sorry for screwing up her lovelife??? Oh, give me a freaking break! And that they're one?? Personally I think as soon as she was pregnant with Ladybug she would've dropped him like a hot potato, since that's all she wanted a guy for - to provide the sperm so she could have Ladybug. Who cares about love? She certainly didn't!
PVILLE SAID: Yeah, that is all her wanted so badly. It didn't feel like she cared about love.
The whole Phoebe/Coop thing really didn't sit well with me, for forcing the audience to care about them.
For me, Phoebe would get pregnant from Drake after he died, and that would be the end of that story. Phoebe raises a baby on her own, if they insisted on doing that story-arc for Phoebe. At least it is something that people can relate to, who are single parents. And Charmed only cared to represent a nuclear family in the end with the sisters, when plenty of people don't fit that in the world.
ES SAID: That's also what I would've preferred - let Phoebe find out that she's pregnant with Drake's baby AFTER he dies, so she goes through the pregnancy during S8 and no Coop, no Elder feeling sorry for her, none of that crap. And I'd want her to have Ladybug during S8 (Personally I think she would name the baby Phoebe, Jr. - in S7 & S8 it was always all about PhoeME) and in the flashforward show her as a single mother with just Ladybug, no others.
As you said, I really disliked all three ending up with a nuclear family. I would prefer Piper just having Wyatt and Chris (no, I prefer her not getting married and not having children! She was SUCH a crappy wife and mother! But since you're stuck with the boys by the time you reach the finale you have let her have them, but I would NOT want her to get to have her daughter - I sincerely wouldn't want ANY of them to have three kids so, as Melinda Warren prophesied, the Charmed prophecy would end with the Charmed Ones - the children would be something different. I'd want Ladybug to have premonitions like Phoebe, since that's what the boys would need. This would also keep her out of the fighting and let the boys do that.
I'd want Paige to live with Henry but never get married. Since both were adopted, I'd want them to foster non-magical children. This way, Wyatt, Chris and Ladybug could take over, but would *not* be Charmed, would *not* be able to use Power of Three spells and would NEVER be as powerful as their mothers, even Wyatt, since I'd have Piper bind all of his powers as a child so they don't go to his head like they obviously did the first time around - I don't blame Gideon; I blame Piper for how she raised him when Leo was busy playing Elder. Since he'd be around this second time, no such problems.
I'd also give these three their own whitelighter - their Aunt Prue. The Elders would do that to be sure you don't get stuck with a witch falling in love with her/his whitelighter again. They and Paige would be the only half-whitelighters. Any child the boys have would NOT have whitelighter powers since their father would NOT be a whitelighter since they'd still be alive.
A spin-off with just these three with Prue as their whitelighter would work for me - although I wouldn't watch a second since like the rip-off, it wouldn't interest me - I'll always stick with the Charmed Ones, not their kids.
StoryGirl knows I feel this way and it's okay with her that I just post my stories here (she's the one who asked me to join just so I could post my stories) and discuss Classic Charmed while staying away from her stories and Charmed Sons discussion.
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PVILLE SAID: With Prue, It's funny, I never was so into Prue being with any one, I always appreciated her character without a guy. I often, wondered why Cole couldn't have been her man, as it is so much more fun when the oldest falls for the bad boy, not the typical youngest sister. I didn't mind her and Bane though.
ES SAID: Sound like I might want to share my Dream Charmed with you because that's exactly what I ended up doing - I matched Prue with Cole, Piper with Leo (but my Elders who are good as well as just took away his wings after he saved Piper and never gave him back, but instead had the Angel of Destiny give him back the life he would've had had he not died in Guadacanal: the world believes that he's always been a doctor who runs a clinic for those who can't afford regular doctors - someone Piper could admire, not just use.) and Phoebe with Andy (with her using her premonitions to help him solve cases. Figuring all of that out was great fun!
PVILLE SAID: You matched up Prue and Cole.
I've never known anybody to match Phoebe with Andy before.
ES SAID: Yeah, I think I might be the first one to do that. It just makes sense to me that she uses her premonitions to help him solve crimes.
I'm going to go ahead and post my Dream Charmed...with Children and Carena's review and my replies to her so you can read it and so we don't keep jamming up this thread. I hope you like it!
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PVILLE SAID: Piper and Mark were a fun pair. I'm sorry to hear John Cho, had a serious injury in real life currently, production on a show he is doing had to be stopped for the next eight months. Poor guy.
ES SAID: OH! I hadn't heard that. I hope he'll be okay; he's one of my favorite actors - totally love him as Sulu in the Star Trek reboot.
PVILLE SAID: Here is the article:
deadline.com/2019/10/cowboy-bebop-netflix-series-shuts-down-production-7-9-months-hiatus-star-john-cho-on-set-injury-1202764024/I'm glad you loved him on Star Trek.
ES SAID:
Thank you for posting that.